Crime & Punishment 1
|Facilitator:||Barbara Joyce||07516 225608|
|Venue & time:||Leigh Miners||1pm - 3pm||Now twice a month: 4th Monday and Tuesday|
Our September 2019 meeting (23rd and repeated on the 24th) will look at instances where a law has been passed which made previously legal and acceptable behaviour illegal. Among other things we will look at 'upskirting', drunk driving, laws against smoking, and dangerous dogs. Some of these laws were unpopular and you may have views about the necessity for some of them.
Please join us on either day and you will be made most welcome.
I thought the good weather (after a few weeks of rain) may have reduced our numbers for the August meeting but we were very full. The presentation by Brian Joyce on Profumo reminded us all of how times have changed - although human behaviour remains the same. As somebody who was too young to understand the story in the early 60s it was very good to have it explained. Thanks to Brian for a great presentation.
PS A docu - drama about DS Fulcher (our topic a few months ago) starts on TV next week. With Martin Freeman it promises to be good.
We are running the group on August bank holiday and repeated the Day after - 26th or 27th August 2019. The topic is Profumo - the 1960s scandal. You may be able to recall the scandal - or at least the bits your parents let you read about! Please join us for this session which should prove to be an interesting one.
The July meetings were well attended in spite of the sudden onset of very hot weather. We looked at MPs who have been imprisoned and why they got themselves into trouble. It was a good meeting on both days with quite a bit of reminiscence around some of the older cases. Thanks to Brian for the presentation and to Jo for the cake on Monday - bara brith - delicious.
Our JULY 2019 meetings will examine MPS IN TROUBLE - HONOURABLE MEMBERS WHO HAVE ACTED DISHONOURABLY. This will be a presentation looking at MPs over the last 60 years who have fallen foul of the law. They come from all political persuasions and have various motivations for their actions. Join us on either MONDAY 22nd or TUESDAY 23rd JULY. The Tuesday meeting is a repeat of Monday. Both meetings start at 1pm. No need to book.
If any member has a presentation they would like to offer please contact me.You may have worked in the police, the courts or as a legal representative and have some inside knowledge. You may be interested in one particular offence or you may even have details of a local murder. Don't be shy and I can help with the technology if need be.
The June meeting was well attended and provoked some good discussion - particularly around the poll tax. A good topic which was suggested by a member of the group.
In June we will look at CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. This is peaceful protest in order to air grievances and gain political change. There are many examples and we will look (briefly) at Peterloo as it is the 200th anniversary. We will then look at the 1990 Poll Tax protests which indirectly led to the demise of Mrs Thatcher. The Kinder Scout Mass Trespass was an attempt to open rights of ways for ramblers and other countryside users. The 1915 Glasgow Rent Strike is a further example of people power attaining a change in behaviour by the powerful - in this case exploitative landlords. Finally we will look at Extinction Rebellion which has captured the imagination of masses of young people who are concerned about our environment. It promises to be a good session so please join us on either MONDAY 24th June or the repeat on TUESDAY 25th June 2019. No need to book. Meetings start at 1pm and finish before 3pm.
Police corruption was our May 2019 topic and we looked at the Metropolitan Police Pornography Squad in the 1960s and ealry 70s. Times have changed and it was agreed that the police would not (and could not) behave like they did in this day and age.
In May we will be looking at the disgraceful behaviour of The Metropolitan Police Porn Squad. In the 1960s and 70s the squad was called 'The Dirty Squad'
We will focus on the corrupt behaviour of the squad - which was rife right up to Commander level. What sort of things were the police up to, how did they get away with their behaviour and what happened to bring it to an end? You are welcome to join us on 27th My repeated on the 28th at 1pm.
There was a good attendance for the Renegades and Traitors presentation. We looked at 3 British men and one woman who had worked for Nazi Germany in the war. All interesting people but not at pleasant. One - Harold Cole - was likely to have been directly responsible for many deaths when he divulged the British escape routes out of occupied France.
Three of them broadcast for 'Germany Calling' - a radio station designed to promote Nazi propaganda. Thanks to Brian for an excellent presentation and also for Jo who provided cake on Monday
See you in May - 27th or 28th.
Please feel free to join us - each monthly topic makes sense in its own right so you can dip in and out as you think fit. Whether you attend once in a while or every month you will be made to feel most welcome and in spite of the subject the sessions are designed to be informative and enjoyable.
For more information please contact Barbara Joyce or phone 07516 225608 or 01942 517494.
FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)
- When and where does the group meet?
The group meets on the fourth Monday of each month and is repeated on the fourth Tuesday. The meeting takes place in the lounge if you choose the Monday group or upstairs if you attend on Tuesday at the Miner’s Welfare. It starts at 1pm and ends at 3pm with a short break for drinks. The notice board in the Foyer at the club will tell you which room.
- Can I attend either group?
Yes – or even both if you wish! You can attend, for example, the Monday one month and the Tuesday the next – both sessions will look at the same topic. On months where the Monday is the bank holiday (May and August) the Tuesday group will always run but check for the Monday please.Just check the web site.
- How many others attend?
This varies but generally about 30 – with a mix of men and women members
- Do I need to know anything about criminology to attend?
No – just a general interest. Some of the group members have worked in prisons, police or solicitors but most are just interested in crime. If you find the group is not for you there is no compulsion to explain why - and nobody will pursue you to ask why you are not attending!
- Do I need to prepare work for the session?
No – although any member is welcome to lead the session, and some members have read up around the topic before the session, but it is not necessary to do so.
- Will I have to take any exams?
No. Nobody is ‘put on the spot’ to answer questions, do written work or to say anything unless they choose to. We generally enjoy a discussion around the topic and learn from each other.
- Do I have to pay?
You will have to pay your membership to attend the groups and then £1 for room hire and refreshments
- What kind of topics does the group look at?
So far we have looked at things like drugs and crime, alcohol, crimes in Leigh in the past, transportation to Australia, homicide, serial killers, sectarian murders and domestic abuse. Future sessions include a talk by a police officer who worked in the 60’s and 70’s, forensics, criminal profiling, cyber-crime, crime on TV and in novels and crime in Victorian times. As you can see the topics are varied and reflect the members interests! The topics can be challenging and the group is sometimes dealing with difficult issues but is not ‘heavy’.
- Sounds ok – how do I join?
Just check the date and arrive – you will be made most welcome.
See also the Crime & Punishment 2 page for the Tuesday dates.
|Dates for your Diary|
|Mon Sep 23rd||Turning point trials –Trials that changed opinion and often resulted in changes in the law|
|Mon Oct 28th||Cold cases – old unsolved cases reopened|
|Mon Nov 25th||Julia Wallace case - murder in Liverpool|